Whilst reading around other artists ideas on Nothingness - generally not so much the philosophy of Nothing but other peoples mimimalist references to it - I came across this this blog from someone in Australia. He has made parodies of different aspects of art. I mostly watched the mimimalist and postmodernist sketches, but one series he calls Blank Canvas (I, II and III) happen to be based around what I was thinking about the other day, and Ryman in particular.
His sketches are kind of funny and ironic - talking about how it takes years to gain the style, technique and skills to get idea in your head onto canvas and make a living from it - only to produce a sealed, readymade canvas and say it expresses everything he wants to say so it’s finished.
Parody or not it brought me yet again back to thinking how this is the way art is seen from the ‘outside world’, past the elite art-world ‘institution’, to what ‘the public’ think. They ‘know’ Tracey Emin’s bed or Damien Hirst’s cow ‘is art’ because they’ve been told it is by various institutions - but on the whole would they be able to tell you i) why it is categorised as art and ii) why it was made this way in the first place? What is the purpose behind it, and/or what is it trying to say? Maybe there’s both an internal and an external question there.
Institutionalist and capitalist theories aside, does etourist2’s parody-personality himself understand why Ryman decided to make his work how he did? OK so it’s a sketch, its meant to be ironic, but reading over the rest of his site (eg Nothing on a Grand Scale) he seems to be a painter with a major dislike for conceptual art.
(This brings up the categorisation again - people have departmentalised art for themselves and don’t like to give their labels away. The Stuckists don’t want to be in the same category as Damien Hirst. “It’s not Art with a capital A”. But highbrow, lowbrow, whatever label you apply to it the content is the same. The content expresses something to me.)
The paradox is he repeatedly keeps asking what the point is. But I could ask that equally about his paintings. What is the point? Are they supposed to be making a statement? Conveying some kind of message? Are they just there to look pretty on his wall or blend in with the surroundings? Are they to make him muchos $$$ off Joe Public? What is their ‘purpose’? Is he as guilty of interior design, (if that’s a crime) as he claims Ryman is?
Among the comments at the bottom of his page are:
“I often wonder how much the artist was paid for the “artwork” and think to myself, “why didn’t I do that, and make a killing?“
“Apparently this kind of art does speak to some artists enough to emulate it.“
“Yes I have seen that too, but just because they do it doesn’t mean it’s worth emulating.“
“I’ve seen it time and time again where some emerging artist has produced this kind of art for reasons that are beyond me.“
Interesting - “why didn’t I do that, and make a killing?“
“As an artist I don’t understand how anyone can claim to express anything through a blank canvas“. But why not? I can see what Ryman was expressing so if someone (eg etourist2’s parody), ‘doesn’t think you can express anything through a blank canvas’, is it that they don’t understand it? If so, is that because they expect the thing in front of them alone to give them information directly, with no thought and no background info? Or is it just that the work itself isn’t successful, it’s not communicating clearly what it was intended to, it’s just not very good art? More importantly does any art really communicate whatever its is intending to in just one object in a gallery?
Its good to make people think but you need something to start with. Then again, as ever my problem is that the object at the end is pretty meaningless, its the process you go through in researching and producing it and the reasons you did what you did that matter. This tends to not be available to the end viewer unless they follow you like a stalker…
“Apparently this kind of art does speak to some artists” - much art doesn’t speak to me, either for the reasons above, I haven’t understood the point in it, I just don’t ‘get’ whatever it is other people are getting. Or it can just be repetitive - for example minimalism has a point in its fundamental questions - but I don’t need eight thousand different examples of it making its point. Most conceptual art I don’t really need to even see to get the point. That isn’t to say I don’t find conceptual art fascinating - but I only really need the concept.
etourist2 says Robert Ryman has made a career out of painting surfaces white…the blank canvas as a ‘concept’ has been over done. Which is true as I said above - once you understand the concept it doesn’t need to be repeated. However does “it’s time to get back to actually painting something on the canvas” fare any better? Hasn’t that been done to death as well?
This is why I prefer philosophy - the ideas are the medium. Art is a tool I use to gain ideas, or to rearrange ideas to uncover new ideas. But my end result is always ideas, or understanding - or occasionally communicating ideas to other people, although it can be pretty narcissistic. But relating to “Apparently this kind of art does speak to some artists” - why don’t paintings speak to me? The vast, vast majority of them have no particular message, feeling or even look particularly interesting or attractive. When they do have a message it seems it could have been said more clearly, better or more ‘interestingly’ by some other method or medium. I just don’t ‘see the point in’ painting. Even painting that isn’t aiming to have any message. “Oh yes that looks nice“. Now lets move on.